PNC-3000 part 8

I wrote earlier that Roland usually doesn't produce junk, this is also still my belief.. But someone had a really bad day in the workshop, the day the table for my mill was line bored.

I had decided that I wanted a vacuum fixture for engraving, so after some manual workshop-time I only needed some cutouts for a O-ring and fixpoints, problem was I couldn't get the fixture clamped down without the dial indicator showed over 0.02mm height difference across 50mm, which is a bit too much for my likening. No amount of cleaning the vice and table could fix this.
Then it stuck me that I had not yet indicated the table, and so I did.. This was a saddening experience..  approx 0.08mm across the 180mm X travel.. this had to be fixed or at least investigated, before anything useful work could be made on the mill.
Removing the table was surprisingly simple, remove the X motor, remove the nut and the thrust bearings for the leadscrew, losen the grubscrews for the rods, move the table all the way to the left, tab out the rods with a brass rods, until there is enough room to slide the table out of the bearings. Be careful not to hit the bearing seals with the rod, it should not be necessary to tab through the bearings, if the table is moved all the way to the left.
With the table off I could mike the rod distance relatively to the table top,  and this matched beautiful with my observations when the table was on the mill, meaning that there is no doubt that the problem is that the table top isn't lined up with the linear rods the table is sliding on, which should be a relatively simple fix.

The difference in height on the worst rod was a chocking 0.19mm!
With the table off I also discovered an adjustment grubscrew for the leadscrew.. Win.. :D

In the garage I learned that though the theory behind fix may be simple, the execution was tricky. After having spent 2 evenings in the garage trying to mount the table without any success, partly because my mill is quite worn, and partly because there is very few places where you can clamp down the table, I decided on another strategy.
My mill has a detachable vertical head, that when removed turns the mill into a horizontal mill. This eliminate the effect of the worn table ways, and gives plenty of options to clamp down the table, relatively speaking, though it was still tricky to line up things.


I choose my 25mm carbide insert mill, instead of a fly cutter this was more work, but easier to control and I didn't had enough travel in my mill to get all the way past both ends of the table. After the first attempt I wasn't really satisfied, the finish was fine, but I still had 0.06mm in difference, and a bit of a popeller shape.

So I gave it another go, and after having buffed it up with 1200 grit and brasso, I was within 0.035mm end to end on the rods. I's possible that another turn measuring and milling would have gotten me closer, but in practice this has no noticeable effect.

When the table was mounted in the mill, the total difference over the full working area was about 0.01mm. This is good enough for me.

In the meanwhile I have also got a new drive belt, which has quiet down things considerable, and almost removed all vibration and resonance.

PNC-3000 part 7

I revisited my edge finder plans and concluded that I needed something else, at least for now.
Instead of the electro mechanical approach, I decided to use a camera instead.
This was also a fine opportunity to do some actual milling on the mill.. :)

The concept is dead simple, and by no means new, you mount a camera to the mill, measure out the offset, and you're good.
The camera I used was a old Creative NX Pro 2, this happened to be the first camera that worked out of the box with the Linux distro I'm using on my CNC computer, and had a 12mm lens mount, so that I could swap the lens for a 6mm.

It was a bit of a challenge to get the camera aligned along the z-axis, because I put a o-ring in the lens mount, to make it more flexible, this probably isn't needed, so the next iteration of the 3D printed parts will be without the o-ring.
Also focus can be an issue, even though I have chosen a "Pro" webcam, the lens assembly, isn't designed for this kind of use, so if focus is adjusted, the camera will need to be realigned

I decided to just skip version 1 and jump directly onto version 2, and when something is Super, it must also be better. 😁

PNC-3000 part 6

My 4jaw chuck is up and running, I had to grind off a few 0.01mm's of the jaws, and it is now running true.
In the meanwhile I had done a lot of speculations on how to make a new collet, problem is  that I need to slit it, but this can't really be done before it is drilled, and when it's cut off, I can't clamp it down to do the slitting. And if I don't cut it off the base stock, I won't be able to test the thread, and when it's cut off, it's difficult to correct the thread, hence my previous post..

I ended up taking a chance with the thread, which worked..

It ended up quite nice, but when I tested it for runout, it had the exact same as the original collet, and it was synchronous with the original collet. I guess this must have something to do with the way the thread is pulling.
I concluded that given the very similar properties of the two collets, attempting to make another one, would just be a waste of time.

The spindle itself has a runout of 0.01mm, which isn't impressive, just ok..

Despite having a ER11 chuck in the mail from China, I decided to make one myself instead, this way I could turn the internal taper, while the chuck was mounted in the spindle assembly all mounted in the Late, which in theory  sohould give me zero runout..


The two triangles I put on the drawing, helped me to indicate the angle of the top slide, to get the two tapers spot on.

In the lathe it all looked like this.

The steel used for the collet is 34CrNiMo6.. No I didn't come up with this particular choice myself, but I have a good friend, who knows something about steel. It's 35-38HRC, and has a bit of tendency to work harden, this gave me some challenges especially when drilling, since I only has HSS-G drillbits at hand, my guess is that HSS-Co would have been better, but the end result was pretty ok.

The taper was turned using a 6mm carbide end mill, and touched up with 600 grid sand paper.

So now the mill takes ER11, but somehow the 0.01mm runout still exists despite that I haven't had the chuck removed from the spindle..

But it's still ~5 times better than the original collet.

PNC-3000 part 5

Next on the list is tooling.
There is only one collet for the mill, which only accepts things with a 6mm shaft, and it comes with a 0.05mm runout.
It is possible to get an adapter to ER16, but this sticks out quite a lot, taking away some of the 150mm Z travel, and it's also it's a bit pricy. I did order a loose ER11 chuck, so I intend to try out the concept in a DIY fashion, but I't probably won't be the future strategy.
The initial plan was to make something like a weldon style collet, and make a bunch of them, this would make swapping tools relatively easy, but since I don't have a CNC lathe this is a relatively time consuming task, so instead I have tested tool sleves.

Both works relatively well, the runout is obviously better in the bottom one, both sleves is made so that the tool bottoms out. This gives a repeatability of ~0.05mm in length, which is fine for most of what I do.
I'll still need to make a new collet, and this needs to be relatively precise. At least better than the old one that came with the mill, or else the it would be a waste of time to make a new one.. The collet isn't overly complex, but it still has a number of features, I did try to make one in stainless, that turned out really nice, apart from the thread, where I got the major diameter 0.5mm wrong.
I failed epicly in trying to correct the error.

This was the final argument in the process of deciding to get a 4 jaw for my lathe, I managed to find a really nice Burned chuck at a good price relatively close to the property. Only problem was that it was for a Boxford lathe (I think), so I needed a backplate for it. So most of the weekend was spend in the garage, making an adapter plate.


This opens up a whole new world of possibilities, for special tooling and fixtures, remounting stuff in the chuck without runout, and maybe even taking over the world..

It's not all joy though, as I seem to have an issue with the jaws not being perfectly squared to the chuck.

The mill has a toolsetter, but I also need an edge finder, which is a bit of a problem since almost all edge finders comes with a 10mm or 20mm shaft which won't fit in the mill. So I'll attempt to make one myself. The concept is pretty simple, a diode lights up, when the probe makes contact with the stock, or anything else which is grounded to the mill.
The probe end needs to be isolated from the rest of the machine, to facilitate that I have epoxied  a brass tube around a iron shaft.

 Initially I planed to turn down the end of the probe in the mill, to make sure that it would have zero runout, but since the mill has quite a bit of runout, and I'm now in possession of a 4 jaw chuck, it will be finished up there, when I have got the runout under control.

PNC-3000 Part 4

The weekend was used designing and fabricating the PCB for the LinuxCNC interface.

The 4503 buffers to finish off the board wasn't yet in the mail, so it wasn't until Monday that I could do the final assembly and test of the board. It had the pleasant side effect that I also got a chance to enjoy the nice weather. The PCB was milled on my old 3D printer.

When everything was assembled the final result looked like this.

I had to do a bit hardware debugging before things was running smoothly, that's why there is an extra transistor and resistor on the board.. Sometimes things cannot be fixed in software..! :D

I can not take credit for the initial idea of pulling the 8255 chip and intercepting the control signals inside the mill, this was first done by this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTfs9lgCk1w
But he's design deals with SMD, which is a bit of a challenge when milling PCB's, and I thought that designing it myself, it would be a fun little project to activate the dormant brain cells.
When I'm done debugging, I'll post the design somewhere.. probably GitHub.

I had a bit of an issue, with the counter logic build into the mill.

The display has a resolution of 0.01mm, but the mill is specified to have 0.005mm, resolution both specifications is true, the last one being a modified truth. But I noted that when jogging the mill around, or if I ran some gcode, the display would get out of sync with the controller (LinuxCNC). Also the mill had a different sound, when running from LinuxCNC than with the build in controller.

The reason for this might be a bug/flaw in the counter logic, where the counter is incremented on the first pulse of the clock, which is actually ok, since 0.5 should be rounded to 1, but if the direction is changed when the position is at x.xx5mm the counter looses a count, and things gets out of sync.

Roland seem to have circumvented this issue in the firmware, by making sure to pulse the steppers an even count of pulses on every move, this is clearly visible on a osciloscope, where pulses can be seen paired, spaced with a few mS, you never see just one pulse..

This fix limits the resolution to 0.01mm with the build in controller, and explains the difference in sound, between running of LinuxCNC.

The issue is only cosmetic when the mill is controlled from LinuxCNC of Mach3, but never the less annoying..

Tonight I could take the first chips....